As for the lack of fluffy times, I totally agree - and blame s4 for this entirely, because s3 is actually full of fluffy times, as much as emotional idiots can have fluffy times, but the thing about s4 is that A: joss is an idiot and B: it actually does an absurd amount of reinforcement of the gravity of this relationship. cordy's not in her body, and so that robs us of her and i hate that i hate that, but at the same time, and i was saying this in a comment above, i think certain aspects of her linger for the first few episodes of the season, and, to be quite honest, you're welcome as an episode takes care of all of cordelia's side of this business as far as i'm concerned. i want to see her there and in love with him and entrenched in it in s4, but i get so much of him being in love with her (see: AWAKENING AWAKENING AWAKENING and also INSIDE OUT INSIDE OUT INSIDE OUT OH MY HEART NEARLY DIED AT THAT EPISODE LAUREN I CAN'T EVEN TAKE IT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT BRB SHAKING AND CRYING. and also since i come at this from an angel perspective while everyone else is coming at it from a cordelia perspective, it is quite clear. this is why i can't understand people who are angel (character) fans who aren't c/a. what show are you watching? i understand cordelia, because cordelia loves him but it's complicated and she has her own buffy complex at play here, but if you love angel - which, granted, about five people do - i don't understand how you could not ship cangel, let alone how you could ship bangel. cordelia made him as a character and to ignore that and to shuffle it into a best friend box is to completely miss the entire root of his characterization by series end) - and, as i was saying above as well, i think even when jasmine is parading around in her skin the occasional bursts of OTP time we get from jasmine are rooted in the bits of cordelia that are still floating around inside, until jasmine squelches even this out - that i don't particularly mind their arc in s4 so much as hers. but we know who to blame for that.
would i prefer an alterna!s4 where she isn't evil and they can have otp times and be the best otp this verse has ever seen? of course. well, i happen to think, in terms of narrative construction and arc importance, they are the best otp this verse has ever seen and the only ship i'd really allow to be on the same level in terms of structure could be spuffy, but i don't ship it (YET?!), so there you go. either way, my POINT IS
1. i cannot shut up about these kids what even is this comment doing i am so sorry look at the mess i've made with all of these feelings. 2. otp. 3. i love you. 4. you are stunning. :)
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part two oh jfc
Date: Aug. 25th, 2010 08:43 pm (UTC)As for the lack of fluffy times, I totally agree - and blame s4 for this entirely, because s3 is actually full of fluffy times, as much as emotional idiots can have fluffy times, but the thing about s4 is that A: joss is an idiot and B: it actually does an absurd amount of reinforcement of the gravity of this relationship. cordy's not in her body, and so that robs us of her and i hate that i hate that, but at the same time, and i was saying this in a comment above, i think certain aspects of her linger for the first few episodes of the season, and, to be quite honest, you're welcome as an episode takes care of all of cordelia's side of this business as far as i'm concerned. i want to see her there and in love with him and entrenched in it in s4, but i get so much of him being in love with her (see: AWAKENING AWAKENING AWAKENING and also INSIDE OUT INSIDE OUT INSIDE OUT OH MY HEART NEARLY DIED AT THAT EPISODE LAUREN I CAN'T EVEN TAKE IT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT BRB SHAKING AND CRYING. and also since i come at this from an angel perspective while everyone else is coming at it from a cordelia perspective, it is quite clear. this is why i can't understand people who are angel (character) fans who aren't c/a. what show are you watching? i understand cordelia, because cordelia loves him but it's complicated and she has her own buffy complex at play here, but if you love angel - which, granted, about five people do - i don't understand how you could not ship cangel, let alone how you could ship bangel. cordelia made him as a character and to ignore that and to shuffle it into a best friend box is to completely miss the entire root of his characterization by series end) - and, as i was saying above as well, i think even when jasmine is parading around in her skin the occasional bursts of OTP time we get from jasmine are rooted in the bits of cordelia that are still floating around inside, until jasmine squelches even this out - that i don't particularly mind their arc in s4 so much as hers. but we know who to blame for that.
would i prefer an alterna!s4 where she isn't evil and they can have otp times and be the best otp this verse has ever seen? of course. well, i happen to think, in terms of narrative construction and arc importance, they are the best otp this verse has ever seen and the only ship i'd really allow to be on the same level in terms of structure could be spuffy, but i don't ship it (YET?!), so there you go. either way, my POINT IS
1. i cannot shut up about these kids what even is this comment doing i am so sorry look at the mess i've made with all of these feelings.
2. otp.
3. i love you.
4. you are stunning. :)