I should have a Xander icon...
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Xander's acceptance of Spike is all part of his character arc in becoming “the one who sees everything,” as Caleb says. He spends a lot of season 6 being blind to things that are right in front of him, both in his relationship with Anya, and in not recognizing Buffy's and Willow’s spirals into self-destruction. Part of his blindness is his failure to recognize the changes in Spike (changes he’d previously begun to accept in seasons 4 and 5), and his persistence in seeing him in black and white – evil, soulless thing, incapable of love or redemption, etc.
But Xander’s arc is all about overcoming that blindness and seeing things as they truly are. He starts to do this in "Seeing Red," when he acknowledges that he hasn't been there for Buffy. We see him face Willow’s issues head-on in "Grave," when he understands her well enough to keep her from ending the world. And it continues in season 7, as he gains perspective on his relationship with Anya, sees Dawn as special when she’s the only girl in the house who doesn’t have a special destiny, and is able to see Buffy in what I think is the truest light of the entire series – not as a potential girlfriend or an object to be won, not as an idealized hero (or one who's failed to live up to his ideals), but as a human being, a friend, and a leader. And again, Spike ties into this arc, as Xander is able to let go of his old beliefs and prejudices and see him for who he truly is, who he has become.
This also fits into the larger arc of repeatedly building Xander up and then knocking him down again. When we first see him, he’s an outcast, a loser – only two friends to his name, mocked by the popular kids, and it’s implied that he’s dumb as a box of rocks. But over seasons 1-3, we see him grow – he becomes athletic (or at least, he’s on the swim team), he's no longer teased, he's dating the most popular girl in school, and even losing her doesn’t hurt his confidence. Plus, he’s managed to make himself a useful and valuable member of the Scooby gang, even with no special powers to rely on.
But then they graduate high school, and Xander is bumped back to the bottom when he can't make the transition. His friends go off to college; he’s stuck in the basement. He's the loser again, left out, useless. The next two seasons see Xander fighting his way back up – with a new girlfriend, a new career, and a new apartment. By the end of season 5, he’s got just about everything he could want. And then he proposes to Anya…
…and down he goes again. He’s making another transition, this time from an independent young adult to a real man, and he spends most of season 6 struggling with that concept. If this were a literal growth story, his arc probably would’ve ended with him being married and having babies, having finally finished growing up. (But when has Joss ever told that story?) Instead, Xander’s final stage of maturity is his philosophical journey. In season 6, he's challenged in a lot of ways - in his friendships, in his relationship, and in his worldview. A lot of people have mentioned in various contexts the shift from simplistic black-and-white morality to shades of grey as a sign of maturity, and I think it's very true for Xander. In season 7, he's lost his prejudices, he's less judgmental (of both friends and enemies), he accepts people for who they are and recognizes their strengths, even when others may overlook them. And he finally knows what his place is, as "the one who sees everything."
It's interesting to look at the end of season 7 as another turning point - maybe it's losing his eye, maybe it's losing Anya, maybe it's just the upheaval of having your hometown destroyed and changing the world and having to deal with it. But it makes me wonder what the next stage of Xander's ups-and-downs would be, how he'll fall and pull himself back up. I don't think we've really seen that in the comics yet (unless you count spending a year with Dracula... which I guess would be a pretty low point, especially if he was a bug-eating butt-monkey the whole time). I'd be curious to see if there are fics out there that explore that pattern further.So, yeah. Probably more than you ever wanted to hear from me about Xander. I know there are a lot of people who hate him some or all of the time, and while I can certainly see the low points (but then, who doesn't have flaws?), it's pretty cool to step back and look at the ebb and flow of his character.
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 05:48 pm (UTC)I personally saw him as the writer's self insert. Which I don't think is completely bad a thing.
It seemed to me that Xander's behavior throughout the whole show was right on for him. I didn't like all of what he was, but he made sense.
Of course he isn't going to like vampires. Like you said, he had two friends in the beginning, and one of them one was killed by a vampire. When you only have a couple of friends, you cherish them and are usually closer to them than a person who has many friends.
He grudgingly let his guard down with Angel and that didn't end well.
I loved Xander with Cordelia. That's like the ultimate geek guy's dream and it was fun to watch.
I did not like how he treated Anya. Except for one scene, I never got the feeling that Xander really cared for Anya. It was like she was just there, she was clingy and he went with the flow. I don't just blame Xander for that though. Anya let it happen.
I think you are right about the building up and knocking down of the character. This just made him seem real. Like someone you might meet on the street or on a construction site.
I don't read the comics, so I have no idea what's going on there. But I will say that the way they are drawing him makes me more interested in him. He looks strong and confident and slightly angry. That I like.
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC)I personally saw him as the writer's self insert. Which I don't think is completely bad a thing.
You know, I thought of him that way at first, but the more I watch, the less I think that. I think he's definitely meant to be the "everyman" perspective, but the Buffyverse is so based in real issues (demons as a metaphor for life) that you don't really need an everyman. All the characters serve that purpose, by coping with real-life problems alongside the vampires. Sometimes battling your demons means financial problems, or relationship issues, or balancing school and work... and then sometimes it means, y'know, battling demons. :)
I did not like how he treated Anya. Except for one scene, I never got the feeling that Xander really cared for Anya.
I definitely don't think it was the healthiest relationship ever, because Anya was definitely way too clingy, and it made it too easy for Xander to take her for granted, but I do think he really cared for her. In fact, I think a lot of their problems would've been avoided if he didn't care - he never would've left her at the altar if he wasn't afraid of hurting her, or failing her. And I think a lot of the positive changes he made were for her - the new job and the new apartment, certainly, but also the self-awareness that he'd hurt her in s6. Why bother becoming a better person if he knows Anya will cling to him no matter what? I think it's because he wanted to be a better person for her.
But I will say that the way they are drawing him makes me more interested in him. He looks strong and confident and slightly angry.
Well, sure, because all their eye candy went over to AtS. :) Someone's gotta fill those shoes, and it ain't gonna be Andrew.
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 06:37 pm (UTC)As for season 8 - feh. I'm glad I don't know......
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 06:59 pm (UTC)Er... yeah.
Anyway, the season 8 comics. I'm still amused by them, but they're getting harder and harder to take seriously...
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC)Real food for thought. Both were good role models.
I never took any of it seriously (my karma for life)but S8 seems to me to be what happened between 'real' jobs. I'd be amazed if the verse continued once Dollhouse is up and running.
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC)And this is why you need all the characters... each one of them has some aspect that's important. :)
I'd be amazed if the verse continued once Dollhouse is up and running.
He's already talking about bowing out of the arc he'd intended to write (the final arc of season 8). Since he's the "executive producer" it could easily continue with other writers with his blessing, the way he's handed off Angel to Brian Lynch, which may actually be better for all of us...
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)I think I don't really care about Angel. I saw some of the first season and all of the last seasons (cuz Spike) but never made a point to see the whole series.
Also - never was a comic girl, so it is easy for me to skip them. All I'd really be interested in is when Buffy and Spike meet up again - which is never going to happen in canon....
Which is why I am so glad you write such excellent fiction!
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)I'd also never read a single comic book before Buffy season 8 started up. I wasn't crazy about the idea (and I'm still not a fan of the medium), but I really wanted to see what Joss' vision was for continuing the series. The more I read, though, the more it seems like Joss has lost touch with the show and is doing something completely different without realizing it.
I am definitely glad there's fanfic, too, and I'm glad that you're enjoying mine. :)
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)And then, all of a sudden, he becomes a rational creature where Spike is concerned. He talks about him leaving wet towels lying around, like a normal roommate would kvetch, he stops with the (cruel) nicknames, they team up to ferret out the evil letterman jacket (Him). He calmly states his objections to having Spike around when the trigger comes to light (Sleeper), but accepts Buffy's decision, even when Anya goads him. "You've always been part of the 'Spike is evil' faction." "I've got a house to put back together." (Never Leave Me)
This is where the light went on for me, that Xander had changed. But where did it happen? Why? In the space of 2.5 episodes (one of which doesn't even have Xander in it) he's suddenly got a clue. After YEARS of hatred and resentment. The writers' expected us to make a huge leap here, with nothing to back it up. So, yes, I struggle. I seek out reasonable explanations in fanfic. One of which you have thoughtfully provided. Yay, you!
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)In "Beneath You," I can understand him being angry, since he doesn't know about the soul, and as far as he can tell, nothing's changed since Spike left. I wouldn't really call it ranting, though - more like a stern reminder (as though Buffy could forget), and he backs down once Buffy assures him she can handle it.
I would say that his reaction in "Selfless" isn't really about Spike at all, it's about his feelings for Anya. He never actually says that Buffy's behavior toward Spike is wrong, he's just asking for the same consideration for his demon lover.
He bitches when Spike moves in, but he gets over it pretty quickly - by the middle of the episode, he's accepted Spike being there, which makes me think his reviling of the plan was mostly just a token protest. If he'd really had a serious problem with Spike, he wouldn't have allowed him to live there in the first place.
And from there, I think it's pretty logical that two people living together would bond a little bit. Both Giles and Xander are more tolerant of Spike in s4 once they've lived together, and get increasingly crankier toward him the longer they stay apart. (I'm sure the Buffy crush didn't help, either.)
I guess, bottom line, I see Xander as a pretty rational person, and once he knows about the soul and can see the obvious difference in Spike, I think he can change his opinion. It'd be nice if we got to see him reflecting on it, or talking to Spike about it, but I don't need that to understand what's changed.
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Date: Aug. 12th, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)XANDER: Are you keeping up, or do you need some kind of English-to-ConstantPainInMyAss translation? I invite you in. Nimrod.
BUFFY
The school basement is making him crazy. We can't just leave him there.
XANDER
Why not? Crazy-Basement-Guy is better than Stalking-Buffy-Guy.
BUFFY
OK, it's just—things are different now—he has a soul.
XANDER
I'm sure that'll be a real comfort when he soulfully attacks you again.
For Xander, the soul equals no big whoop, apparently. Why should it? Nobody knows what it is/does. It didn't mean Angel could be entirely trusted, by Xander at any rate. He's still harping about the attempted rape. Why shouldn't he? Everybody but Buffy, including Spike, thinks it was egregious, and his own guilt would make Spike seem guiltier, I'd think. Xander is still concerned with protecting Buffy's virtue, whether she needs it or not. He's emphatically just stated that he prefers a broken, powerless Spike to the old, virile model.
From this, we go directly to Xander never again calling Spike names (I think), never mentioning the attempted rape, working with him with equanimity, and thereafter allowing Buffy to run her own personal life (except when under a spell). None of these things happened when Spike lived with him in Season 4. He's older and hopefully wiser, sure, but it still seems like an awfully abrupt change of heart, to me at least. Heh. I'll stop now. The world does not hang in the balance on this issue. Probably.
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 02:18 pm (UTC)You know, I was thinking about this yesterday, and I think it goes back to an inherent difference between Angel and Spike, and the way Xander views them.
Xander definitely doesn't give much credence to the soul when it's about Angel, and I think it's because Angel (or rather, Buffy on behalf of Angel) tries to make the distinction between souled and unsouled as two different people. But Xander sees Angel and Angelus as more alike than different, so he's pretty much calling bullshit on that one.
But then souled Spike comes along. Spike never tries to escape the blame, he never tries to say he's not responsible for what he did while soulless. He actually tries to pretend that he's the same as he was before, even though it's clear (both when he's crazy and when he's sane) that he's not the same. And I think Xander sees that, and he understands the difference.
I'm sure some people have different views of the soul thing, but I'm of the opinion that it does make a difference - not in a split personality Angel/Angelus kind of way, but it changes you. Xander's been skeptical of the soul's influence because he's been force-fed the split personality explanation (and he should be skeptical, because it is bullshit), but living with Spike, he's got a firsthand look at what the soul really does. It only takes about five minutes with Spike to realize that he's not "Stalking-Buffy-Guy" anymore. He's not going to be attacking anyone, soulfully or not (er, except under the influence of the First). It's not Buffy saying "he has a soul now" that does it, but actually seeing the influence of the soul.
The world does not hang in the balance on this issue. Probably.
You never know! Someday, it could be as vital as "cavemen vs. astronauts"! ;)
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 05:52 pm (UTC)http://community.livejournal.com/spring_with_xan/44007.html
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)http://community.livejournal.com/spring_with_xan/44180.html
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 05:59 pm (UTC)As to fics, I totally adore Shadowscast's stuff. I think she writes the best Xander.
http://shadowscast.popullus.net/fiction_list.html#Buffy
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)I haven't read much of Shadowcast's stuff, but I do remember Sock Puppet, and it's excellent.
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)(As do your comments to
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 08:19 pm (UTC)After that, about the closest he ever gets to questioning Buffy's decisions is "Buff, I'm trying to see your point. But I think it must be to my left," in Empty Places.
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Date: Aug. 13th, 2008 09:43 pm (UTC)Thanks for this great piece.
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Date: Jan. 30th, 2012 08:06 pm (UTC)(And the two Xanders ep is "The Replacement" in season 5!)